Yes, people with disabilities have sex!
Listen to Season 4, Episode 5 of Beneath the Briefs in which Javier Enriquez and Cheyenne Roberts talk to Leo Scholl about disability, “really good sex,” transness, and accessibility on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.
Beneath the Briefs Introduction
Javier:
This is Beneath the Briefs, a podcast where we explore the ins and outs…
Cheyenne:
And the in-betweens…
Javier:
Of sex and culture.
Cheyenne:
No topic is off limits.
Javier:
Real conversations you may be too embarrassed to have out loud.
Cheyenne:
So! Prepare to be briefed.
Javier:
Let’s talk about sex, y’all.
Car Sex: A Discussion with Cheyenne and Javier
Javier:
Welcome to Beneath the Briefs.
My name is Javier, and today I have my lovely co-host, Cheyenne.
Cheyenne:
Hello, everyone.
Javier:
Hi.
Cheyenne:
Are you okay?
Javier:
Hi.
Cheyenne:
Anyways. Javier, how are you? It’s been a minute. It’s been a long time, it feels like, since we’ve been in front of the mics.
Javier:
I know, it’s been a minute!
We had a good Thanksgiving break, and yeah, I don’t know. I miss you.
Cheyenne:
I don’t know why you’re lying to me right now.
Anyways, I ate so much food this Thanksgiving.
Javier:
Okay.
Cheyenne:
I unfortunately was not stuffed like a turkey by somebody else, but I stuffed myself with food, so I guess it wasn’t too bad.
Javier:
Nice.
Cheyenne:
You know, I drank a little bit, ate a lot—ate a LOT. I really did eat a lot though. Everything was great.
It was just a good time. So yeah, what about you? What you up to?
Javier:
So unfortunately, I got sick at the last few days of my Thanksgiving break.
Cheyenne:
You had that “stuff”?
Javier:
No, I did not have COVID, and I just had a cold.
I’m better now. I think that I got a cold because I may have been exposed to the elements while…
Cheyenne:
Doing what, Javier? What were you doing? What side quests were you on this time?
Javier:
So, I reconnected with an old friend of mine, and we were in kind of the same circles, and they kind of had a crush on me, and I was typically always too busy.
And honestly, I did have a crush on them, but I was always anxious about sex. I’m like, “Oh my gosh, this and that,” and whatever.
Cheyenne:
Really?!
Javier:
Yeah, I was…
Cheyenne:
You don’t give that, whatsoever.
Javier:
I was not into my sex positivity era until much later in life.
Cheyenne:
You could have fooled me. You seem like a pro, baby.
Javier:
We went out for a drink, and it was really nice. It was good to catch up.
Cheyenne:
And the vibes was vibing.
Javier:
And the vibes were vibing, and we played a game with darts. And I’m really good at darts.
Cheyenne:
You love darts, don’t you?
Javier:
I love darts, and I feel like that’s where I can flex, because I can throw darts, and I can hit the bullseye multiple times.
Cheyenne:
Really?
Javier:
And then we later went to his car, and I “hit the bullseye multiple times.”
Cheyenne:
Oh!
Javier:
And we were in his car, and it’s not a big car or anything.
Cheyenne:
Are you flexible?
Javier:
No, I mean, basically, it wasn’t all that. It wasn’t the full nine yards.
Cheyenne:
Oh, okay, gotcha, gotcha.
Javier:
But what we did do is…we were in his car. It got a little hot, so we took some liberties to make sure that we were cooler.
And one thing led to another, and we just started having a good session. It was really hot. I’ve never done anything like that, really.
Cheyenne:
In a car?
Javier:
In a car, yeah, I don’t think.
Cheyenne:
Really?
Javier:
I don’t think. But it was fun. And we didn’t get to, again, do The Whole Thing.
But I was able to definitely use my fingers to help itch a scratch that he may have had.
Cheyenne:
Okay, okay.
Javier:
And it was a good time.
Cheyenne:
Javier, you know, sometimes I just question how you get into these side quests that you be on.
Javier:
It was a lot of fun. Have you ever done anything in a transportation setting?
Cheyenne:
Ummm… Mama, I’m sorry!
Javier:
Okay! Okay, what do we got?
Cheyenne:
I have. I think the very last time, it was mid-2022.
Javier:
Uh-huh.
Cheyenne:
It was great. It was fantastic.
Javier:
Okay, what form of transportation?
Cheyenne:
She had kind of like a…not a truck?
Javier:
Oh, a truck.
Cheyenne:
It’s almost like the shape of a RAV4.
Javier:
Okay, okay.
Cheyenne:
Yeah. And we were at the beach. The vibes was vibing, for real. Like, it really was. Like, we were vibing. It was great.
We watched the sunset. It was actually kind of romantic, a little bit. We watched the sunset, like I said.
And then, like, I have a thing. Like, having my feet rubbed is just the gateway to my heart and to other parts of me.
Javier:
Oh! Okay!
Cheyenne:
And she was rubbing my feet. Y’all, I’m so sorry. But she kissed my toes. That was a rap after that; it was a rap; it was a rap. You know, but see, for us, it’s different for us ladies. You know, we can really get down to business without really having to get (whispers) naked, you know?
Javier:
Okay, okay.
Cheyenne:
And so, we did. We did. And we almost! Got! Caught!
So nearly got caught because, obviously, it was at sunset. I think the beach closed, like, around, like, eight or something like that. And there was some cars out there.
But man, it was a great time. Definitely a core memory, for real.
Javier:
Hell yeah.
Cheyenne:
Yeah. I hope she’s having a good day.
Javier:
I think doing things in, like, a car, you have to kind of navigate your body in very creative ways.
Because it’s not like you can just, like, stand or, like, even lay properly. So, like, I had to definitely explore what was okay.
Cheyenne:
And that’s why I was asking if you’re, like, flexible. Because, like, what were you doing?
Javier:
No, I mean, he was just, like, laying down. And, you know, his head was propped up against the window.
They got foggy. I don’t know if some people saw. I don’t know.
But I know the windows were foggy. And that was helping.
Cheyenne:
So, you had a great workout session is all I’m hearing.
Javier:
Yeah, I was just lifting some weights with my fingers. You know what I mean?
Cheyenne:
Lifting weights with your fingers… That is interesting. They must be very strong.
Javier:
But today we’re going to bring on one of my personal friends and someone who is also part of a community advisory group here at Prism Health North Texas.
And they are also going to give us some tips about how to navigate sex as someone who is disabled, and having to navigate where you kind of change things, and how you communicate living with disability, and how sex can still be really fun and hot.
So, we’re going to talk about destigmatizing sex and disabled people having sex. So, I’m really excited to bring Leo on.
Cheyenne:
Oh, it’s Leo!
Javier:
It’s Leo!
Cheyenne:
Oh, yay! I like Leo! Okay, perfect! I don’t know how I forgot.
It’s just been a long Thanksgiving break. Okay.
Javier:
I’m excited to talk with Leo. Are you excited?
Cheyenne:
I’m very excited. Yes.
Javier:
Let’s get into it.
(transition music)
Disabled & Sexy: A Conversation with Leo Scholl
Cheyenne:
I don’t want to say, “And we’re back,” again!
Javier:
So, me and Cheyenne have been trying to figure out how to get back from commercial without saying, “Welcome back.”
But! I’m really excited to bring in one of my personal friends and a community advisory member from one of our groups here at Prism Health North Texas. I want to introduce Leo.
Leo:
Hey, I’m Leo. You make me sound so official with “community advisory.”
Javier:
Right? No, you are!
Leo:
You sound like I have a title.
Javier:
You do!
Cheyenne:
You’re real official around here.
Javier:
So, a lot of us around here don’t know a lot about Leo. What’s Leo about?
Leo:
That is a wild way to ask me to introduce myself. I am a queer, trans, and disabled person. And I am really interested in activism, in helping the community because I have found so much love and support in our community.
And especially being queer, so many of us are also disabled, and so facilitating a way and trying to encourage our community to be more accessible is really important to me. And education is important to me.
I don’t claim to be an expert, but it’s something that is important to me. It’s something I enjoy doing. Also, I don’t know if I said my pronouns. I use he/they pronouns.
Cheyenne:
So, you said that you’re disabled. What do you want people to know about the word “disabled”? Some people think it’s a bad word and don’t like saying it.
Leo:
Yeah, that’s a big thing. And one of the biggest things that I try and communicate with people who are new to any kind of disability, any type of verbiage around it, like you said, a lot of people think that the word “disabled” is a bad word. And it’s really very much not.
It’s actually the preferred word to be used. And that’s something that I try to let people know about, especially when they’re new to talking about disability or they’re new to any kind of thing around disability. Using the word “disabled” is good.
That’s how the vast majority of us want to be referred to. And most other words that people use like “differently abled” or like “special ability,” like it just it’s so infantilizing. And it’s like, I’m not differently abled. I’m disabled. I exist in this world in a way that I come across a lot of impairments because my body is different than most other people’s bodies. And so that disables me.
I am disabled. So just call us disabled.
Cheyenne:
Where do you think the bad connotation that people have of the word “disabled” came from? And then them kind of changing it to, like you said, differently abled and things like that. Where do you think that kind of stemmed from?
Leo:
There’s a long and complicated history around disability and this idea that like here is how someone is supposed to be and here’s like, the other. And if you’re not what you’re supposed to be, then you’re the other. And so, I think that that informs a lot of how disabled people are viewed now is that we are we are different, and that is bad, and that’s scary. I mean, I think about some I can’t remember what the era was, but there were homes that were built that would literally have a room that was above—like, in the second floor of the house, but there was no stairwell there. And that was built so that the disabled member of the family would stay there, so that they weren’t seen.
Cheyenne:
Oh, man.
Leo:
Yeah. I mean, you also think about Christianity. You think about how there’s this idea that if you’re disabled, it’s because you have sinned. It’s a punishment for you.
And so, I think a lot of that there’s all sorts of examples of that in history. And whether we realize that’s where it comes from or not, you know, disabled people are viewed as bad. And I think in some ways disabled people are still viewed as being punished for something.
Javier:
I have a question. How do you go about people who are—because some people want to ask questions and some people are really curious to learn, but I think they’re always scared to offend people by asking. Like, what would you say to those kinds of people?
Leo:
I think just approach it the way you would approach asking anyone else any other questions. I’ve definitely been in situations like this one time I was at a bar and there was this lady, and I was like, “This lady is going to be a problem.” And sure enough, she came over to where I was sitting, and I was in my wheelchair at the time, and she came over drunk as… Like, just so drunk.
And like, she was like, “So why are you in a wheelchair?”
Javier:
Just, “Why are you in a wheelchair?”?!
Leo:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, “I don’t want to talk about it with you.”
And then she was like, “Oh, I didn’t want to ask.”
And I was like, “No, you clearly did want to ask because you did ask me.”
And then I was like, adjusting myself in my wheelchair because I’m an ambulatory wheelchair user, and she was like, “Oh, so you can move your legs!”
So, I was like, “Girl, just…you need to stop asking me about it.” So like, don’t go about it like that.
But if someone is like, “Hey, like, I’m interested to know more about like, your wheelchair,” or like, just just talk to us like people. And also understand that it’s not disabled people’s job to educate you. And so, go into it knowing that like, we want you to be educated.
And also, like, not everybody wants to be the educator. Not everybody wants to be the educator right now. And so, if you start asking questions, and the person doesn’t really want to answer.
Don’t take that as a generalization of like, “Oh, well, all disabled people are really like, grumpy,” and all of this. It’s just we don’t always have the energy.
Javier:
Yeah.
Leo:
And also, like, if there’s simple questions, google it.
Javier:
Yeah.
Leo:
You know, we don’t have to tell you all the ins and outs of the basics of what it’s like to be disabled. You can do your own research on those things.
Javier:
Or at least have them buy you a drink. Like, let them treat you as like a… like, I want to develop a friendship first and not just like, “You’re my test subject.”
Leo:
No, literally. Yeah. I had another experience.
It was my first time going to a bar by myself when I was going for a meetup for a kink that I was trying out at the time.
Javier:
Oooh, can I ask?
Leo:
And it was pup play. It wasn’t for me.
Javier:
You kind of give that energy, though, a little bit like “pup curious.”
Leo:
It’s because I’m transmasculine.
Javier:
Oh, is that a thing?
Leo:
Yes. But yeah, I was there. I was very confused about where I was going. I didn’t know anybody there. I was very anxious. And I was using my crutch. And so, again, visibly disabled.
And this guy comes up to me. I don’t remember exactly what he said, but in his first sentence to me, he hit on me really weirdly, and then essentially asked, “What’s wrong with you?”
Cheyenne:
Oh!
Leo:
And it like put me in such a state of like, anxiety, I blanked out most of what he said. But it was just like—so I was like, “Why?” Just talk to me like a person. He didn’t even ask my name or anything.
I was like, “I’m not going to tell you my medical history.”
Cheyenne:
“I don’t know you.”
Leo:
Exactly.
Cheyenne:
“I don’t have to, either.” Like, what?
Leo:
Yeah. Then afterwards, he went across… No, I went across the bar because I was like, “I don’t want to be around this guy.”
And this dude calls across the bar, and he was like, “I didn’t mean to make you uncomfortable!”
And I was like, “What are you doing?!”
Cheyenne:
That was really bad…
Leo:
Yeah.
Cheyenne:
So, like, since you said you were in the kink space: What has your experience been when it comes to sex?
Because a lot of people, like you said, infantilize people that are disabled.
Javier:
Or fetishize even.
Cheyenne:
Or yeah, fetishize them. So, it’s like, what does that look like for you when you go into spaces where it’s sex positive?
Leo:
So, for me, I’m T for T. So that in and of itself, like—
Javier:
Can you explain what T for T is?
Leo:
Yeah. So, I’m trans, and I essentially only have sex with other trans people. It’s so much easier. And the sex is so much better.
Cheyenne:
Hey, listen…
Leo:
But like, for me, being disabled, it’s almost like a way to test the waters with people that I would want to have sex with. Because it’s like, if you can’t be normal about me using my crutch in public, then you are not going to be willing to accommodate me sexually. And you’re also probably not going to listen to what I want.
And it’s not going to be good sex.
Javier:
So, what would you say is one of the best or better experiences you’ve had around sex in regards to its intersectionality with living with a disability?
Leo:
Yeah, it’s. When I was thinking about this question, I was like, I don’t know what to say. Because I have a really great sex.
Cheyenne:
We love that for you!
Leo:
I just have a great sex. But I think one of the things that stuck out to me when it comes to my sex life and disability: I saw a video from somebody who also has POTS and hypermobility. And they had like, “Here’s a few tips for how to make sex more comfortable.”
And one of them was like, when you’re laying on your back, and you’ve got your legs spread, to put some pillows under your legs to cushion it and give more support for your joints.
Cheyenne:
I’m going to write that down, actually.
Leo:
Oh, it’s great. The next time that I was being ate out—
Javier:
Okay!
Leo:
I put pillows under my legs. And I was like, “Oh, my gosh, this feels so much better and more supportive.”
Cheyenne:
Wait a minute, we’re going to have to talk about some of that.
Leo:
Oh, yeah.
Cheyenne:
Yeah, we’re going to get into that.
Leo:
But yeah, I think for me, it was a very validating moment seeing somebody else with this disability who is providing education for something around sex that, you know, nobody else was educating on.
It felt—I felt very seen in that. And that’s a big thing, I think, for most people with disabilities is that for us to have good and healthy sex lives, we need education about how to have healthy sex. And, you know, there’s a lot to be said about how disabled people are not given access to sexual education at all.
If you look at like, special ed classes and stuff like that at any level, there’s almost never a sex education class for those students.
Javier:
I didn’t even think about that.
Leo:
Let alone like a sexual education class about like, here’s what sex might look like for you as someone with a disability. Like those things just don’t exist.
Javier:
Yeah.
Leo:
Um, so that moment for me was very validating of someone saying like, yes, we are sexual people. Here’s a way that you with your disabilities can have more comfortable sex.
Javier:
Yeah!
Leo:
It was really great.
Javier:
That’s awesome to hear. We definitely need more comprehensive sex education.
I think I’ve said that in the past, but to be honest, I don’t ever think that I’ve considered like, what does the accessibility component look like in those conversations? Because I think it’s great for disabled people to learn how to have sex. But I also think it’s great for non-disabled people to learn about how to have sex with disabled people.
Leo:
Yeah.
Javier:
And I think that lack of discussion and education leads to this like pitying that creates distance or creates the opposite, which is fetishization. Because people don’t know what else to see something as.
Cheyenne:
Yeah.
Leo:
And I think also with that fetishization… I think a lot of people who have an attraction to people who are visibly disabled, (but) they don’t know how to conceptualize that other than a fetish. When I think about it, it reminds me a lot of how people view fat people when they’re attracted to fat people.
Like, it’s considered a fetish instead of just like, “This is someone who I’m attracted to.” And I think that there is—of course, those things are very different, but I think there’s some similarity there with how people view their own attraction to someone who’s disabled. They’re like, “Oh, well, this person is like different, so it’s a fetish.” And I was like, “Well, you’re just attracted to someone, and that person is disabled.”
Cheyenne:
Okay. I’m really picking up what you’re putting down. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense in my head now. It’s not really a fetish. You’re just literally attracted to this person.
Javier:
Yeah.
Cheyenne:
There’s something more to it. You’re attracted to this person. It’s not their disability. It’s not them being fat. It’s not them being Black. It’s not that you’re just attracted to that person.
It’s just them.
Leo:
Yeah. And I think the point that I’m trying to make here is that because of the way people are educated, or not educated, about sex, the way that sex is presented, there’s, again, this idea of what sex is supposed to look like and what isn’t. And when you’re having a sexual attraction or sex with someone who exists outside of someone that you’re told is included in what sex should look like, we aren’t taught how to think about that.
And so, I think, I mean, people definitely can have fetishes. You know, obviously there’s—that’s a very real and very common thing. But I think because a lot of us aren’t told that like, “Yeah, disabled people are sexual beings.”
And if you are attracted to them just because they exist outside of what we’re told people who have sex are supposed to look like, that doesn’t make it a fetish. You’re just attracted to them. I hope that makes sense.
Javier:
Yeah. I did want to ask—I know you’ve kind of already talked a little bit about some of the experiences that felt a little bit more not so fun. Have there been any specific struggles that you faced in regards to sex with other people?
Leo:
That’s a good question. Honestly, not really. Because again, because I’m trans, because I’m visibly disabled, it kind of acts as its own sort of vetting process with people.
Because if someone—I’m not going to have sex with someone who doesn’t understand what it’s like—doesn’t understand me as a trans person. I’m not going to have sex with someone who asks me what’s wrong with me while hitting on me, you know? Like, those things, they sort of rule out who I do and don’t want to have sex with by itself.
And so, for me, again, I have great sex. I have a lot of great sex. And it’s because in part that like the people that I get involved with sexually, I know are going to see me and accommodate me and see me as sexy, not because of the identities that I have, but including those identities.
Like, they see me as a whole person.
Javier:
That’s so cute!
Leo:
And I also know that if someone’s going to be willing to accommodate me during sex, they’re also going to prioritize what I want and what’s going to make me feel good.
Javier:
Okay, damn! Okay! Greedy little sex gremlin over there.
Leo:
Wow! I’ve not been called that one before!
Cheyenne:
With that being said, what important tips do you want to give our listeners and how to interact with people that are disabled?
Leo:
That’s a very good question. First thing: just see us as people. Like we’re literally just people. It’s okay to be freaked out, but like, that’s your problem, not ours. So just treat us like people.
But the biggest thing that I want to make a note of is that right now, we are being told that COVID is over. “The pandemic is over.” You know, places don’t encourage masking. But it’s really, really important for us all to be masking to the best of our ability.
Obviously, this is important to me. One, because the disabled community is especially vulnerable to COVID. It’s also—it’s important to me on a personal level because I am disabled BECAUSE I got COVID.
And you know, we still don’t know the long-term effects of COVID. If you are infected more than once, it increases the chance of complications of long-term problems, even if it’s a mild case.
So yeah. And I’m not trying to say that everyone needs to be masking 100% of the time absolutely, perfectly, because that’s not realistic. And also like, I’m not perfect with it.
I’ve gone a very long time without masking. So, there’s no shame in masking imperfectly. There’s no shame if you’ve gone a while without masking and you want to get back into it.
What’s important is that you stand with the disabled community, and you prioritize protecting us by simply wearing a mask when you’re out and around. It’s important. It really is.
And it can be hard to conceptualize the importance because of the fact that there’s not good information out about it. But yeah.
Javier:
No, that’s incredibly important, especially with the work that me and Cheyenne do. We advocate for a lot of people in who are living with HIV, and living with HIV is an invisible disability because it leaves your body a little bit more vulnerable, and masking up could really help lessen those kinds of like risks.
So yeah, I think that’s incredibly important to bring up.
Cheyenne:
Absolutely.
Javier:
Do you have any other last things you want to say?
Leo:
I think the last note that I would want to leave people on is like, disabled people are sexy.
Cheyenne:
Oh, period! Mmmmhmm!
Leo:
And a lot of us are absolute whores.
Cheyenne:
Oh!
Leo:
And I don’t know if you can put that in the podcast?
Cheyenne:
Yeah, we should keep that in the podcast.
Javier:
We’re keeping it.
Leo:
But like, we have great sex. And if you can like, be normal and do your own work on educating yourself, you’re opening yourself up to having some really, really, really good sex. So yeah.
Javier:
Hell yeah. Well, thank you so much, Leo, for being on Beneath the Briefs with us. We’re so excited, and I’m really hoping that maybe we can see you on a future episode.
Leo:
I would love that.
Cheyenne:
Absolutely. Thank you so much, Leo. It’s a pleasure seeing you in person because I know I met you virtually. So, it’s so nice to see you.
Javier:
Nice. Well, we’ll be right back after this short commercial.
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Disabled Is Not a Bad Word: Discussion Recap
Cheyenne:
Mm-mm-mm. What a refreshing conversation, honestly.
Javier:
That was a good—it really was a good conversation. Very articulate. I’m like, “Oh my gosh.”
Cheyenne:
Right!
I really feel like I learned a lot and it feels good coming from them. It feels good having a person that is disabled coming on and speaking for themselves, but also in a way speaking for the community as well. This is just another avenue and another way for people to learn more about the disabled community so that if they do have any questions, they know how to be respectful or hopefully this answered some of their questions that they may have.
And I definitely did not know that “disabled” is not a bad word.
Javier:
Yeah.
Cheyenne:
And it was interesting to hear Leo’s perspective on how it’s harmful to use other terms like “differently abled” and—
Javier:
“Special.”
Cheyenne:
“Special” and things like that. And honestly—to be completely honest, these are words that I was taught growing up, and I think that was just kind of bred from just the time everybody was just trying to be sensitive to it. At least in my household, I think they were trying to be sensitive to it.
Javier:
And I think there’s a level where people were being overly sensitive. Imagine if everyone was walking on eggshells about an identity that you have. And I think as people of color, we both have gotten that where people are trying to acknowledge your identity, but don’t want to outright say it because they don’t want to find it rude. But it actually feels a little bit more rude, the way that you’re kind of stepping around me.
Cheyenne:
“Hey, it’s okay that you call me Black. I am Black.” So same thing, it’s okay to say, “Hey, that person is disabled.” Obviously, it depends on the context. It’s okay to say those words. And so, I really do appreciate that this is just another avenue for our listeners to learn that saying the word “disabled” is okay.
So yeah, that was my biggest takeaway. And I really do appreciate Leo coming on and talking about that. So yeah. What about you, Javier?
Javier:
I think my biggest takeaway was honestly getting to hear all of the amazing things that Leo gets to experience in his life. He was just like, “Y’all, I have some really good sex. I’m not going to lie to you, I’m going to have really good sex.” And it’s like, yes, most of us will experience some form of disability throughout our lives. That comes with aging. That comes with just our bodies changing, us going through things. And you just adjust because you cannot stop joy. You cannot stop sex from happening.
Cheyenne:
Hello!
Javier:
And you can’t stop good sex from happening. And so, when Leo was like, “Yeah, I just prop myself on a pillow, so I can be more comfortable,” I’m like, “Yeah! Hell yeah.”
So, I was really happy to hear that. And I think, like you were saying, more people need to hear about these positive depictions of disabled lives and sex lives.
Cheyenne:
They can have sex, and they more than likely will have sex, so, it’s like, why are we shying away from the fact that we need to be teaching them about sex?
Javier:
And teaching other people who are not disabled about what it’s like to be with someone who is disabled. I think we tend to distance ourselves from people who have identities or experiences that we are so unfamiliar with, and if they were just told, “It’s the same as anyone else. You just need to maintain communication and adapt, and you can still have hot sex…” Everyone deserves to be taught about the different kinds of sex that we can have and the different kinds of people we can have sex with.
Cheyenne:
Right. Exactly. I really do hope, as our listeners, you learned something and took something away from this and, you know, can apply it to your life, you know, or your next interaction with a person that’s disabled.
Javier:
Thank you so much for listening to another episode of Beneath the Briefs. If you have any comments, questions, cries of anxiety, email us at… What, Cheyenne?
Cheyenne:
Javier:
That’s right! You can email us all your inquiries or things you want to share with us, and we may be reading on the podcast or next season.
Speaking of! Next episode is our season finale! So, super exciting. We’re also going to go on a little bit of a break, but on this episode we’re going to have a guest and we’re going to be speaking on all things polyamory, sooooo…
Cheyenne:
That’s exciting!
Javier:
It is exciting! It’s going to be on Christmas Day—it’s going to come out and be our last gift before the holiday break, but I’m so excited.
Cheyenne:
I’m excited too! We’re going to have a great time.
Javier:
Yeah! Okay, so, last words?
Cheyenne:
Last words? Hmm, let’s see…
Javier:
Psyche! You get NO last words!
Cheyenne:
UM—?!
Beneath the Briefs: “Disabled & Sexy” Outro
Javier:
Beneath the Briefs is produced by Javier Enriquez, Cheyenne Roberts, Tri McBath, Trevor Frank, Andie Carver, and Marquesse Banks, executively produced by Januari Fox, and edited by Javier Enriquez. The Beneath the Briefs podcast is supported and powered by Prism Health North Texas.
Cheyenne:
The opinions, personalities, and views expressed on Beneath the Briefs are solely those of the individuals and do not reflect those of Prism Health North Texas and its employees. The information shared on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment, and is intended for educational purposes only. Thank you.
Javier:
Oh gosh, what is happening with my laptop?
Cheyenne:
Stop it. Was it not recording?!
Javier:
No, it was recording.
Cheyenne:
OH, ’cause I was finna come across this, and…
Javier:
What? What were you going to do?
(long pause)
You were going to…? You’re… You’re having trouble there.
Cheyenne:
This thing is heavy. I want you to know this thing is very heavy.
Javier:
Oooh, is it heavy now?
Cheyenne:
Alright.